Deutsch Jakob / Sofer Jakob Schlomo – 04. Dezember 1871

Deutsch Jakob / Sofer Jakob Schlomo – 04. Dezember 1871

Jakob Deutsch / Jakob Schlomo Sofer, 21. Kislew 5632 (Montag, 04. Dezember 1871)

  • Foto: Grabstein von Jakob Deutsch / Jakob Schlomo Sofer, 21. Kislew 5632
  • Datenblatt Isidor Öhler: Jakob Deutsch / Jakob Schlomo Sofer, 21. Kislew 5632
  • Datenblatt Isidor Öhler, Rückseite: Jakob Deutsch / Jakob Schlomo Sofer, 21. Kislew 5632


Anmerkungen

Laut hebräischer Inschrift wird Jakob Deutsch am nächsten Tag, יום ג, “Dienstag (22. Kislew = 05. Dezember)” begraben.

Der Vater von Jakob Schlomo ist David Hersch Sofer (4. Zeile Inschrift).

Die beiden Vornamen des Verstorbenen finden sich als Akrostichon in der Inschrift von Zeile 7-14: “Jakob Schlomo” יעקב שלמה.


Biografische Notizen

Sterbematriken: Jakob Deutsch, geboren in Mattersdorf, verheiratet, Hausierer, gest. 04. Dezember 1871, mit 52 Jahren an Lungenentzündung, in Mattersdorf

Vater: David Hersch Sofer

Ehefrau: Gütl Zippora Sofer / Pepi Deutsch

Tochter: Rosalia / Sarl Steinfeld

Personenregister jüdischer Friedhof Mattersburg


14 Kommentare

  1. Meir Deutsch

    Now about the Deutsch-Sofer question. I still do not have the answer, but found in my documents the tombstone, from the Mattersdorf Jewish cemetery, of Josef Eliezer Deutsch died כ”ט חשון תר”פ. He is the son of Yaakov Schlomo Sofer Deutsch and Rachel Lea nee Abeles.

    As we can see in the line of סופרים היו אבותיו the סופר in the word סופרים is in enlarged letters. I think that this is the first tombstone where we have Deutsch and Sofer in Hebrew together.

    We can also see on the stone the title הקצין as well as ראש העדה . He was a ROSH HAKAHAL.
    Does anyone know what is meant by: גזע תהלם which appears on the stone?

    Gravestone of Josef Eliezer Deutsch
  2. Meir Deutsch

    We have at the top of his tombstone הקצין. According to my knowledge, this rank is given to ROSH HAKOHOL (Head of the community). I made up a list of the Heads of community of Mattersdorf/burg. He is not on my list and I could not find him as ROSH HAKOHOL in any other publication.

    1. Dass dieser Titel dem Rosch HaKahal gegeben wurde, stimmt auch meines Wissens, ich glaube aber nicht ausschließlich. Ich kenne sehr viele Belege auf hebräischen Grabinschriften in Deutschland etwa, in denen הקצין auch verwendet wurde ohne dass der Betreffende eine (nachweisbare) Leitungsfunktion innehatte. הקצין wird dann übersetzt mit “der Einflussreiche” … War der הקצין tatsächlich auch ראש הקהל wird dies meistens doch zusätzlich explizit angemerkt.

    1. Chaya-Bathya Markovits

      In Rabbi Kinstlicher’s book “The Chatam Sofer and his disciples” (Hebrew), p. 138 that R. Josef Zwi Deutsch (brother of R. Mendel Deutsch, the father-in-law of R. Ahron Singer) was the father-in-law of R. Chaim Sofer (not related to the Chatam Sofer), who was rabbi in Gyomore, Szentpeter, Munkacs and Budapest. Could it be that this was the reason for calling this branch of the Deutsch family “Sopher”?

      By the way, R. Kinstlicher writes that the aforementioned R. Josef Zwi was an ascendant of R. Meir Deutsch, rabbi in Dresnitz (Moravia, today Strážnice; died 1782) and of R. Jaakov Elieser Braunschweig, rabbi of Kanitz (Dolní Kounice; died 1729).

      1. Meir Deutsch

        @ Chaya-Bathya Markovits.
        I haven’t got Rabbi Kinstlicher’s book “The Chatam Sofer and his disciples”, but as far as I see from what you have written (from his book) that he actually copied the Deutsch family from the book “Toldot Sofrim”. Prof. Schlomo Spitzer of your Institute asked me about the difference of the generations in “Toldot Sofrim” (that Rabbi Kinstlicher’s book is probably based on it) and in my book “Yalde Shabat”. A research about it was conducted by Mr. Yitzhak Stroh (which I sent to Prof. Spitzer) who came to a conclusion that there was an error in “Toldot Sofrim”. I accepted Mr. Stroh’s argument, as I find it supported by documentation and logic.
        You quote from Rabbi Kinstlicher’s book: “that R. Josef Zwi Deutsch (brother of R. Mendel Deutsch, the father-in-law of R. Ahron Singer)”. Was R. Josef Zwi Deutsch the brother of Mendel? According to “Toldot Sofrim” Mendels father was Meir. According to the Mattersdorf documentation Josef Hersh’s [Zvi] father was Reuven. Mr. Yatzhak Stroh, writes about it, among others:
        “ואחר בדיקה וחיפוש בפנקס קהילות מט”ד […] פנקסים אשר בהם נרשמו ריבוי פעמי כל בעלי הבתים שבקהלה בסדר א’ ב’ ומצאתי בכל אותם הרשימות משנת תקע”א בערך עד בערך שנת תר”כ רק איש אחד בשם ר’ יוסף הרש והוא ר’ יוסף הרש סופר ובשום מקום לא נזכר ששם אביו היה מאיר אלא אביו היה ר’ ראובן סופר.”

        It seems that the author of “Toldot Sofrim” and Rabbi Kinstlicher while researching the Deutsch family line went off to the famous Moravian Rabbinical family Deutsch. This Moravian Deutsch family was never called Sofer.

        I am quite sure that Carole G. Vogel can elaborate on this, and surely Mr. Yitzhak Stroh.

        1. Carole Vogel

          Yes, I remember when Yitzchok Stroh was working this through. It became clear that there was an error in the Deutsch-Sofer tree in Toldot Sofrim and Rabbi Kintslicher’s book.

          Stroh discovered that the Deutsch-Sofer name appeared in the Hebrew and Yiddish records of Mattersdorf much earlier than R. Chaim Sofer’s marriage to Breindl Deutsch, daughter of Josef Zvi Deutsch.

          And it became clear quite early on that Josef Zvi Deutsch-Sofer was NOT the brother of Mendel Deutsch. He was the uncle.

          (Mendel Deutsch-Sofer was the son of Moranu Meir Deutsch-Sofer (died circa 1824). Meir was the son of Reuven Deutsch-Sofer who was the son of Mordechai Deutsch-Sofer.)

          The errors in my mind put into the question the accuracy of the other genealogical relationships spelled out in “Toldot Sofrim” and Rabbi Kinstlicher’s book.

  3. Meir Deutsch

    I see that slowly our family’s history in Mattersdorf is coming up.
    Jacob Schlomo Sofer Deutsch is my grandfather’s father. They used the surname Sofer in Hebrew and Deutsch in the official documents. I do not know where Sofer came from (Carole Vogel and Yitzhok Stroh – do you have the answer?)
    The other members of the family that came up were commented by Carole.

    Keep up your good work.
    YISHAR KOACH

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