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	Kommentare zu: Pinkas Josef Zvi &#8211; 24. Juni 1902	</title>
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		Von: Johannes Reiss		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Johannes Reiss]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2020 18:05:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Als Antwort auf &lt;a href=&quot;https://der-transkribierer.at/burgenland/juedischer-friedhof-mattersburg/pinkas-josef-zvi-24-juni-1902/#comment-11585&quot;&gt;Carole Vogel&lt;/a&gt;.

Carole, I know of course! This is the reason that the death entry is here in the comments section and not in the article ;-) I&#039;ve only misread your comment above...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Als Antwort auf <a href="https://der-transkribierer.at/burgenland/juedischer-friedhof-mattersburg/pinkas-josef-zvi-24-juni-1902/#comment-11585">Carole Vogel</a>.</p>
<p>Carole, I know of course! This is the reason that the death entry is here in the comments section and not in the article ;-) I&#8217;ve only misread your comment above&#8230;</p>
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		Von: Carole Vogel		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Carole Vogel]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2020 16:41:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Als Antwort auf &lt;a href=&quot;https://der-transkribierer.at/burgenland/juedischer-friedhof-mattersburg/pinkas-josef-zvi-24-juni-1902/#comment-11584&quot;&gt;Johannes Reiss&lt;/a&gt;.

Moritz PInkas is not Josef Zvi Pinkas. You have the death record for Moritz Pinkas  and the gravestone for Josef Zvi Pinkas.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Als Antwort auf <a href="https://der-transkribierer.at/burgenland/juedischer-friedhof-mattersburg/pinkas-josef-zvi-24-juni-1902/#comment-11584">Johannes Reiss</a>.</p>
<p>Moritz PInkas is not Josef Zvi Pinkas. You have the death record for Moritz Pinkas  and the gravestone for Josef Zvi Pinkas.</p>
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		Von: Johannes Reiss		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Johannes Reiss]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2020 14:58:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Als Antwort auf &lt;a href=&quot;https://der-transkribierer.at/burgenland/juedischer-friedhof-mattersburg/pinkas-josef-zvi-24-juni-1902/#comment-11583&quot;&gt;Carole Vogel&lt;/a&gt;.

hmmm, don&#039;t believe. The death entry is very clear, Moritz Pinkas died in Nagymarton.]]></description>
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<p>hmmm, don&#8217;t believe. The death entry is very clear, Moritz Pinkas died in Nagymarton.</p>
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		Von: Carole Vogel		</title>
		<link>https://der-transkribierer.at/burgenland/juedischer-friedhof-mattersburg/pinkas-josef-zvi-24-juni-1902/#comment-11583</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Carole Vogel]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2020 13:10:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Als Antwort auf &lt;a href=&quot;https://der-transkribierer.at/burgenland/juedischer-friedhof-mattersburg/pinkas-josef-zvi-24-juni-1902/#comment-11582&quot;&gt;Johannes Reiss&lt;/a&gt;.

I came across that death record and I found it to be very strange. It think it is a bizarre coincidence. Moritz Pinkas had the Hebrew name Marem (nor Josef Zvi) and his mother was Adelheit (not Fany or Fradel). Additonally, Marem did not have a son named Jakob.  My best guess is that Josef Zvi Pinkas died someplace in Hungary or Austria and that his body was brought back to Mattersdorf for burial.]]></description>
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<p>I came across that death record and I found it to be very strange. It think it is a bizarre coincidence. Moritz Pinkas had the Hebrew name Marem (nor Josef Zvi) and his mother was Adelheit (not Fany or Fradel). Additonally, Marem did not have a son named Jakob.  My best guess is that Josef Zvi Pinkas died someplace in Hungary or Austria and that his body was brought back to Mattersdorf for burial.</p>
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		Von: Johannes Reiss		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Johannes Reiss]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2020 11:56:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Als Antwort auf &lt;a href=&quot;https://der-transkribierer.at/burgenland/juedischer-friedhof-mattersburg/pinkas-josef-zvi-24-juni-1902/#comment-11576&quot;&gt;Carole Vogel&lt;/a&gt;.

Hi Carole, the death entry shows a MORITZ Pinkas on 09 June 1898, son of IGNAZ Pinkas and NETTI NEUFELD. He was 85 years old, when he died. He married Netti on 25 February 1841.

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<p>Hi Carole, the death entry shows a MORITZ Pinkas on 09 June 1898, son of IGNAZ Pinkas and NETTI NEUFELD. He was 85 years old, when he died. He married Netti on 25 February 1841.</p>
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		Von: Carole Vogel		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Carole Vogel]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2020 22:10:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Als Antwort auf &lt;a href=&quot;https://der-transkribierer.at/burgenland/juedischer-friedhof-mattersburg/pinkas-josef-zvi-24-juni-1902/#comment-11569&quot;&gt;Johannes Reiss&lt;/a&gt;.

Hi Johannes,

There was actually a mistake made on the inscription on Joseph Zvi Pinkas&#039;s gravestone. Yitzchok Stroh and I discovered that Joseph Zvi actually died on 19th of  Sivan 5658 (9 Jun 1898). We found proof in the Chevra Kadisha ledger  of the Mattersdorf community. On the 11th of  Elul 1898 (29 Aug 1898) a donation was made to honor the memory of &quot;Josef Hirsch the son of Fradel who had passed away on the 19th of  Sivan.&quot; The donation was made by his son Jakob Pinkas who was living in Oedenburg (Sopron, Hungary). There is absolutely no mistake on the dating.

We have also been able to prove that Joseph Zvi Pinkas is a descendant of the huge Breuer clan that goes back to the mid-to-late 1600s in Mattersdorf. Two circumcision ledgers from Mattersdorf listed the bris of of his son Jakob Pinkas. The first noted that Jakob Löb, the  son of Joseph Hirsch PINKAS ,was circumcised on the 22nd of  Kislev 5624  (3 Dec 1863). The second noted that Jakob Löb the son of Joseph Hirsch SEMNITZ was circumcised on 22nd of  Kislev 5624  (3 Dec 1863). In the Mattersdorf metrical records there is a birth record for Jakob L. Pinkas, born on 21 Nov 1863. The parents were Josef Pinkas and Hany.

Joseph Zvi Pinkas was the son of Shloima Semnitz who was born into the Breuer family., Shloima used the surname SEMNITZ instead of BREUER. Shloima died between 1829 and 1834, leaving the widow Fradel with two young sons. Fradel married a man named Pinkas. She died on 11 Feb 1863 and was identified as the widow Fani Pinkas in her death record. A few weeks after her death a donation was made to the Mattersdorf Chevra Kadisha from the tzedakah money collected during the shiva for “Mrs. Fradel Semnitz.”

It appears that Joseph Zvi Semnitz adopted the surname of his stepfather Mr. Pinkas. Otherwise his descendants would have been known by the surname BREUER or SEMNITZ.]]></description>
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<p>Hi Johannes,</p>
<p>There was actually a mistake made on the inscription on Joseph Zvi Pinkas&#8217;s gravestone. Yitzchok Stroh and I discovered that Joseph Zvi actually died on 19th of  Sivan 5658 (9 Jun 1898). We found proof in the Chevra Kadisha ledger  of the Mattersdorf community. On the 11th of  Elul 1898 (29 Aug 1898) a donation was made to honor the memory of &#8220;Josef Hirsch the son of Fradel who had passed away on the 19th of  Sivan.&#8221; The donation was made by his son Jakob Pinkas who was living in Oedenburg (Sopron, Hungary). There is absolutely no mistake on the dating.</p>
<p>We have also been able to prove that Joseph Zvi Pinkas is a descendant of the huge Breuer clan that goes back to the mid-to-late 1600s in Mattersdorf. Two circumcision ledgers from Mattersdorf listed the bris of of his son Jakob Pinkas. The first noted that Jakob Löb, the  son of Joseph Hirsch PINKAS ,was circumcised on the 22nd of  Kislev 5624  (3 Dec 1863). The second noted that Jakob Löb the son of Joseph Hirsch SEMNITZ was circumcised on 22nd of  Kislev 5624  (3 Dec 1863). In the Mattersdorf metrical records there is a birth record for Jakob L. Pinkas, born on 21 Nov 1863. The parents were Josef Pinkas and Hany.</p>
<p>Joseph Zvi Pinkas was the son of Shloima Semnitz who was born into the Breuer family., Shloima used the surname SEMNITZ instead of BREUER. Shloima died between 1829 and 1834, leaving the widow Fradel with two young sons. Fradel married a man named Pinkas. She died on 11 Feb 1863 and was identified as the widow Fani Pinkas in her death record. A few weeks after her death a donation was made to the Mattersdorf Chevra Kadisha from the tzedakah money collected during the shiva for “Mrs. Fradel Semnitz.”</p>
<p>It appears that Joseph Zvi Semnitz adopted the surname of his stepfather Mr. Pinkas. Otherwise his descendants would have been known by the surname BREUER or SEMNITZ.</p>
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		Von: Johannes Reiss		</title>
		<link>https://der-transkribierer.at/burgenland/juedischer-friedhof-mattersburg/pinkas-josef-zvi-24-juni-1902/#comment-11569</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Johannes Reiss]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2020 06:26:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Als Antwort auf &lt;a href=&quot;https://der-transkribierer.at/burgenland/juedischer-friedhof-mattersburg/pinkas-josef-zvi-24-juni-1902/#comment-11564&quot;&gt;Carole Vogel&lt;/a&gt;.

Hi Carole, the Hebrew date is 19 Siwan 662. Isidor Öhler converts to 14 June 1892! This is wrong, because 662 = 1902. So, the converted date 19 Siwan 662 = 24 Juni 1902 is correct. E.g. try here: https://www.hebcal.com/converter?hd=19&#038;hm=Sivan&#038;hy=5662&#038;h2g=1]]></description>
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<p>Hi Carole, the Hebrew date is 19 Siwan 662. Isidor Öhler converts to 14 June 1892! This is wrong, because 662 = 1902. So, the converted date 19 Siwan 662 = 24 Juni 1902 is correct. E.g. try here: <a href="https://www.hebcal.com/converter?hd=19&#038;hm=Sivan&#038;hy=5662&#038;h2g=1" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.hebcal.com/converter?hd=19&#038;hm=Sivan&#038;hy=5662&#038;h2g=1</a></p>
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		Von: Carole Vogel		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Carole Vogel]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2020 21:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Is the death date the 14th of June or the 24th? See Ohler notes please.]]></description>
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		Von: Carole Vogel		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Carole Vogel]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2014 15:54:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Josef Zvi is actually a member of the BREUER family from Mattersdorf. His father was known both as Shloima Breuer and  Shloima Semnitz. Shloima died before 1834, so Josef Zvi must have an old man at the time of his own death.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Josef Zvi is actually a member of the BREUER family from Mattersdorf. His father was known both as Shloima Breuer and  Shloima Semnitz. Shloima died before 1834, so Josef Zvi must have an old man at the time of his own death.</p>
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