Kommentare zu: Vogl Moritz / Vogl Mose – 29. Juli 1888

Von: Johannes

Johannes — Sun, 30 May 2010 20:44:03 +0000

Als Antwort auf Heddy Breuer Abramowitz.

Dear Heddy Breuer Abramowitz,
thank you so much for your comments, they are so important!

Yahrzeit plaques:

Some of them you can see here:
https://www.ojm.at/artikel/jahrzeit/bild01/

the Yahrzeit plaques are only from Eisenstadt, not from Mattersdorf!
But yes, we can post it, sure!

best, Johannes

Von: Heddy Breuer Abramowitz

Heddy Breuer Abramowitz — Sun, 30 May 2010 20:35:51 +0000

I would love to see those yahrzeit plaques. Can you post them, too?

Von: Johannes

Johannes — Fri, 21 May 2010 08:46:10 +0000

Als Antwort auf Johannes. Wir haben Mose Vogl in den Soproner Matriken gefunden. Die Daten oben wurden korrigiert: a) Vogl statt Vogel (!), b) das Datum musste auf 1888 korrigiert werden. We've found Mose Vogl in the Matriken of Sopron and we've corrected the record!

Von: Johannes

Johannes — Wed, 19 May 2010 19:33:05 +0000

Als Antwort auf Carole G. Vogel.

Yes, that’s the point! I hope that we can fill some holes, even though there are no records hidden away in the museum attic ;) in this attic we’ve only found the 755 Yahrzeit plaques ;)
https://www.ojm.at/artikel/jahrzeit/

Von: Carole G. Vogel

Carole G. Vogel — Wed, 19 May 2010 18:44:05 +0000

This issue of the Matriken is actually quite important for Mattersdorf researchers. Some of us have been using the birth, marriage, and death records that were microfilmed by the Mormon Church Family History Library. The records were purportedly microfilmed in the Hungarian National Archives in Budapest but some appear to be identical to the records held in the Sopron archive. The IKG in Vienna has only a very limited range of Mattersdorf records, and they are quite incomplete but they do fill in some holes in the microfilmed records. We are hoping that you have stumbled across a treasure trove of metrical records hidden away in boxes in the museum attic or basement.

Von: Johannes

Johannes — Wed, 19 May 2010 17:34:55 +0000

Als Antwort auf Carole G. Vogel.

Matriken (Pl) is the register (= records of personal status) of birth, marriage and death.The Matriken from 1850 – 1885 are in Vienna and in Hungarian Language and some of (certified) copies of the Matriken from 1830 – 1895 we find in Sopron, Hungary (Hungarian and German mixed). But some years are lost :( From that time on the Matriken are in Mattersburg.
We’ll soon write a blogpost dealing with this subject!

Von: Carole G. Vogel

Carole G. Vogel — Wed, 19 May 2010 16:51:56 +0000

Als Antwort auf Johannes. Johannes, What exactly is the Matriken?

Von: Johannes

Johannes — Tue, 18 May 2010 09:14:16 +0000

Als Antwort auf Meir Deutsch.

I read the comment of Carole and decided to wait with my answer ;)

Fact is, that we in German do not make a difference in pronouncing the names VOGEL and VOGL! Both we speak out as “VOGL” (not only in colloquial language!). And this is the reason, that the name is written sometimes as VOGEL and sometimes as VOGL.

So, I think, it’s the best to see how the name is WRITTEN in the Matriken and this we’ll know in a few days!
And then I’ll correct it potentially ;)

Von: Meir Deutsch

Meir Deutsch — Tue, 18 May 2010 09:00:58 +0000

That is how Ohler spelled it in his notes in German.

Johannes, Do you think that it should be corrected?

Von: Carole G. Vogel

Carole G. Vogel — Tue, 18 May 2010 01:53:28 +0000

The Vogel family in Mattersdorf usually spelled their name V-O-G-L. (I am not a descendant of that Vogl family.)