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	Kommentare zu: Sofer Jütl Lea &#8211; 31. Juli 1904	</title>
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		Von: Carole Vogel		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Carole Vogel]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 May 2011 19:30:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Als Antwort auf &lt;a href=&quot;https://der-transkribierer.at/burgenland/juedischer-friedhof-mattersburg/sofer-jutl-lea-31-juli-1904/#comment-1734&quot;&gt;Yitzchok Stroh&lt;/a&gt;.

Yitzchok Stroh. So if the family was from Vienna we should be able to find birth and death records for Juetl to confirm her parentage.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Als Antwort auf <a href="https://der-transkribierer.at/burgenland/juedischer-friedhof-mattersburg/sofer-jutl-lea-31-juli-1904/#comment-1734">Yitzchok Stroh</a>.</p>
<p>Yitzchok Stroh. So if the family was from Vienna we should be able to find birth and death records for Juetl to confirm her parentage.</p>
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		Von: Yitzchok Stroh		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Yitzchok Stroh]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 May 2011 06:56:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Als Antwort auf &lt;a href=&quot;https://der-transkribierer.at/burgenland/juedischer-friedhof-mattersburg/sofer-jutl-lea-31-juli-1904/#comment-1697&quot;&gt;Carole Vogel&lt;/a&gt;.

The Ketav Sofer&#039;s younger brother Rabbi Shimon Sofer  Rabbi of Mattersdorf and Krakow (1821-1883) had a son Akiva of Papa author of Tzuf Mdvash (1839-1903). Akiva&#039;s son Avraham Shmuel Binyomin, obviously named after his great uncle, was married to Hena the daughter of Rabbi Akiva Schlesinger from Vienna.

It seems that this is the tombstone of their daughter. It is obvious why this young girl was buried in Mattersdorf near her dear ancestors.

Akiva Schlesinger of Vienna is the son of Yosef Guns Schlesinger and his wife Fradel Rodish the daughter of R&#039; Avrohom Kalischer. (She was a stepdaughter of the Chasam Sofer, her mother Serel, Rabbi Akiva Eiger of Posen&#039;s daughter, married the Chasam Sofer. Fradel Rodish is also buried in Mattersdorf.)

Akiva Schlesinger of Vienna Married Rosa the daughter of Serel the wife of Rabbi Yaakov Leib Strasser of Tab.

Rabbi Strasser&#039;s wife Serel was a daughter of the Ketav Sofer. 

Yosef Guens who was a publisher in Vienna was a son of Rabbi Simcha Bunim Guens the Rabbi of Mattersdorf and a nephew of Rabbi Akiva Eiger of Posen (Rabbi Simcha Bunim&#039;s brother).

It may sound confusing, but it is!

Many thanks to Yidel Steinmetz for his help in researching the above.

Johannes, you don&#039;t know how much your work is appreciated. I hope you will have the time and energy to keep it up. you have my best wishes.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Als Antwort auf <a href="https://der-transkribierer.at/burgenland/juedischer-friedhof-mattersburg/sofer-jutl-lea-31-juli-1904/#comment-1697">Carole Vogel</a>.</p>
<p>The Ketav Sofer&#8217;s younger brother Rabbi Shimon Sofer  Rabbi of Mattersdorf and Krakow (1821-1883) had a son Akiva of Papa author of Tzuf Mdvash (1839-1903). Akiva&#8217;s son Avraham Shmuel Binyomin, obviously named after his great uncle, was married to Hena the daughter of Rabbi Akiva Schlesinger from Vienna.</p>
<p>It seems that this is the tombstone of their daughter. It is obvious why this young girl was buried in Mattersdorf near her dear ancestors.</p>
<p>Akiva Schlesinger of Vienna is the son of Yosef Guns Schlesinger and his wife Fradel Rodish the daughter of R&#8217; Avrohom Kalischer. (She was a stepdaughter of the Chasam Sofer, her mother Serel, Rabbi Akiva Eiger of Posen&#8217;s daughter, married the Chasam Sofer. Fradel Rodish is also buried in Mattersdorf.)</p>
<p>Akiva Schlesinger of Vienna Married Rosa the daughter of Serel the wife of Rabbi Yaakov Leib Strasser of Tab.</p>
<p>Rabbi Strasser&#8217;s wife Serel was a daughter of the Ketav Sofer. </p>
<p>Yosef Guens who was a publisher in Vienna was a son of Rabbi Simcha Bunim Guens the Rabbi of Mattersdorf and a nephew of Rabbi Akiva Eiger of Posen (Rabbi Simcha Bunim&#8217;s brother).</p>
<p>It may sound confusing, but it is!</p>
<p>Many thanks to Yidel Steinmetz for his help in researching the above.</p>
<p>Johannes, you don&#8217;t know how much your work is appreciated. I hope you will have the time and energy to keep it up. you have my best wishes.</p>
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		Von: Suzie		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Suzie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 May 2011 08:03:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Oh, yes, you are right. so יודא seems to be the yiddish spelling of the name י-הודה

and I am happy we found out that הענא is indeed the correct yiddish spelling of hena.

On american name sites, it says that hena is a variation of anna - chana. 

My friend says she does not think it is true.

whatever.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, yes, you are right. so יודא seems to be the yiddish spelling of the name י-הודה</p>
<p>and I am happy we found out that הענא is indeed the correct yiddish spelling of hena.</p>
<p>On american name sites, it says that hena is a variation of anna &#8211; chana. </p>
<p>My friend says she does not think it is true.</p>
<p>whatever.</p>
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		Von: Meir Deutsch		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Meir Deutsch]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 May 2011 19:15:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Als Antwort auf &lt;a href=&quot;https://der-transkribierer.at/burgenland/juedischer-friedhof-mattersburg/sofer-jutl-lea-31-juli-1904/#comment-1710&quot;&gt;Suzie&lt;/a&gt;.

It is not taboo, but look at the spelling of יודא. The first HEY was deleted, as you say, as it connects to the YUD. But why was the last HEY exchanged for ALEF? Yehuda is a biblical name and it was sometimes changed (יהודה is also used) but יהושע stayed intact. 

They use the ALEF at the end for A also for ביילא as against  ביילע for E.
&quot;הרבנית ביילא נולדה להוריה אדמו&quot;ר האמצעי והרבנית שיינא&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Als Antwort auf <a href="https://der-transkribierer.at/burgenland/juedischer-friedhof-mattersburg/sofer-jutl-lea-31-juli-1904/#comment-1710">Suzie</a>.</p>
<p>It is not taboo, but look at the spelling of יודא. The first HEY was deleted, as you say, as it connects to the YUD. But why was the last HEY exchanged for ALEF? Yehuda is a biblical name and it was sometimes changed (יהודה is also used) but יהושע stayed intact. </p>
<p>They use the ALEF at the end for A also for ביילא as against  ביילע for E.<br />
&#8220;הרבנית ביילא נולדה להוריה אדמו&#8221;ר האמצעי והרבנית שיינא&#8221;</p>
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		Von: Suzie		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Suzie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 May 2011 12:47:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Als Antwort auf &lt;a href=&quot;https://der-transkribierer.at/burgenland/juedischer-friedhof-mattersburg/sofer-jutl-lea-31-juli-1904/#comment-1709&quot;&gt;Meir Deutsch&lt;/a&gt;.

Sorry, I do not quite grasp what the problem with the hey at the end should be.

If you say it is taboo to use hey, then you could not write anything correctly any more... I think what you are referring to are other letter combinations like alef and lammed or yud and hey, but they do not occur in this name...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Als Antwort auf <a href="https://der-transkribierer.at/burgenland/juedischer-friedhof-mattersburg/sofer-jutl-lea-31-juli-1904/#comment-1709">Meir Deutsch</a>.</p>
<p>Sorry, I do not quite grasp what the problem with the hey at the end should be.</p>
<p>If you say it is taboo to use hey, then you could not write anything correctly any more&#8230; I think what you are referring to are other letter combinations like alef and lammed or yud and hey, but they do not occur in this name&#8230;</p>
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		Von: Meir Deutsch		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Meir Deutsch]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 May 2011 07:08:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Als Antwort auf &lt;a href=&quot;https://der-transkribierer.at/burgenland/juedischer-friedhof-mattersburg/sofer-jutl-lea-31-juli-1904/#comment-1708&quot;&gt;Suzie&lt;/a&gt;.

Dear Suzie,

You are right. Looking at Jewish names on GENI I found Hena. Even the Yiddish spelling is the same הענא.

איילה or איילת are modern names. I think that at that period you got either a Biblical name that was a Hebrew name; otherwise you got a Yiddish or Judish name.

About the use of ה in a name, I think that they tried not to use it. We have Judith instead of יהודית=Jhudit or יודא instead of יהודה. Here they deleted two הs, the last one was replaced by a Alef. As you probably know, we have in Israel a city that is divided by name. One is called BETH EL and the other BETH KEL. Anything Godly, that for some includes ה are changed. We have for 15 טו and not יה.

From GENI
Hena-Nechama Topola, הענא נחמה טופולה, הי&quot;ד (Bursztyn)  
Place of Burial:	Taraz, Zhambyl, Kazakhstan
Birth:	circa 1887 
Różan, Mazovia, Poland]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Als Antwort auf <a href="https://der-transkribierer.at/burgenland/juedischer-friedhof-mattersburg/sofer-jutl-lea-31-juli-1904/#comment-1708">Suzie</a>.</p>
<p>Dear Suzie,</p>
<p>You are right. Looking at Jewish names on GENI I found Hena. Even the Yiddish spelling is the same הענא.</p>
<p>איילה or איילת are modern names. I think that at that period you got either a Biblical name that was a Hebrew name; otherwise you got a Yiddish or Judish name.</p>
<p>About the use of ה in a name, I think that they tried not to use it. We have Judith instead of יהודית=Jhudit or יודא instead of יהודה. Here they deleted two הs, the last one was replaced by a Alef. As you probably know, we have in Israel a city that is divided by name. One is called BETH EL and the other BETH KEL. Anything Godly, that for some includes ה are changed. We have for 15 טו and not יה.</p>
<p>From GENI<br />
Hena-Nechama Topola, הענא נחמה טופולה, הי&#8221;ד (Bursztyn)<br />
Place of Burial:	Taraz, Zhambyl, Kazakhstan<br />
Birth:	circa 1887<br />
Różan, Mazovia, Poland</p>
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		Von: Suzie		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Suzie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 May 2011 21:33:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Yes, Hena ist a yiddish first name. I know several Henas or Henias.

If you write it strictly &quot;yiddish style&quot; it would indeed spell הענא, since ע was e and א was a in yiddish (where vowels were spelled out). However, I find the א instead of ה at the end of a female name a bit strange.

I first thougt it was like &quot;henne&quot; (hen), but someone told me it was the same as Hindi, also a quite frequent yiddish first name. Hindi is Hindin is female doe. So hebrew would be Ayala.

But according to my feeling, Ayala was not used in ancient times, it is a more modern israeli first name. (Perhaps to translate the Hena and Hindi of their forebears).]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, Hena ist a yiddish first name. I know several Henas or Henias.</p>
<p>If you write it strictly &#8220;yiddish style&#8221; it would indeed spell הענא, since ע was e and א was a in yiddish (where vowels were spelled out). However, I find the א instead of ה at the end of a female name a bit strange.</p>
<p>I first thougt it was like &#8220;henne&#8221; (hen), but someone told me it was the same as Hindi, also a quite frequent yiddish first name. Hindi is Hindin is female doe. So hebrew would be Ayala.</p>
<p>But according to my feeling, Ayala was not used in ancient times, it is a more modern israeli first name. (Perhaps to translate the Hena and Hindi of their forebears).</p>
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		Von: Meir Deutsch		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Meir Deutsch]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 May 2011 10:29:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Als Antwort auf &lt;a href=&quot;https://der-transkribierer.at/burgenland/juedischer-friedhof-mattersburg/sofer-jutl-lea-31-juli-1904/#comment-1706&quot;&gt;Johannes&lt;/a&gt;.

Dear Suzie and Johannes,

Is Henna or Hindin a Yiddish Jewish forename? I have never heard of them and even on Google I could not find them. You probably meant Hindel = Hind, female red deer, which translated into Hebrew can be, as you say, Ayala? 


Hinda
Girl		Yiddish	Hind, female red...	 
Hindel
Girl		Yiddish	Hind, female red...		 
Hindelle
Girl		Yiddish	Hind, female red...

Hindi
Girl		Yiddish	Hind, female red...

Hindy
Girl		Yiddish	Hind, female red...				

It still does not solve the name הענא. Could it be a Mason&#039;s error? Maybe he wanted to write האנע for the name חנה (the same sounding) like in the Gitl-Chanelied (Grunwald Jahrbuch fuer Juedische Volkskunde, Berlin/Wien 1925).

Ginendel, as far as I know, is mostly a Central European (German inspired) Jewish female name. Just because it starts with a G does it mean it comes from the Russian? 
I am not an expert on Russian but is Gitl  from the Russian Hitl? What does Hinendel or Henendel mean? 

From the Internet:

Genendel
That answer about the movie Robin Hood is absolute nonsense. If you enter the name in Google you will find many victims of the Holocaust. It is a Jewish name. A professor of Hebrew once explained it was probably related to the Jewish word for charm or charming. 
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_does_genendel_mean#ixzz1L2AX7VXe]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Als Antwort auf <a href="https://der-transkribierer.at/burgenland/juedischer-friedhof-mattersburg/sofer-jutl-lea-31-juli-1904/#comment-1706">Johannes</a>.</p>
<p>Dear Suzie and Johannes,</p>
<p>Is Henna or Hindin a Yiddish Jewish forename? I have never heard of them and even on Google I could not find them. You probably meant Hindel = Hind, female red deer, which translated into Hebrew can be, as you say, Ayala? </p>
<p>Hinda<br />
Girl		Yiddish	Hind, female red&#8230;<br />
Hindel<br />
Girl		Yiddish	Hind, female red&#8230;<br />
Hindelle<br />
Girl		Yiddish	Hind, female red&#8230;</p>
<p>Hindi<br />
Girl		Yiddish	Hind, female red&#8230;</p>
<p>Hindy<br />
Girl		Yiddish	Hind, female red&#8230;				</p>
<p>It still does not solve the name הענא. Could it be a Mason&#8217;s error? Maybe he wanted to write האנע for the name חנה (the same sounding) like in the Gitl-Chanelied (Grunwald Jahrbuch fuer Juedische Volkskunde, Berlin/Wien 1925).</p>
<p>Ginendel, as far as I know, is mostly a Central European (German inspired) Jewish female name. Just because it starts with a G does it mean it comes from the Russian?<br />
I am not an expert on Russian but is Gitl  from the Russian Hitl? What does Hinendel or Henendel mean? </p>
<p>From the Internet:</p>
<p>Genendel<br />
That answer about the movie Robin Hood is absolute nonsense. If you enter the name in Google you will find many victims of the Holocaust. It is a Jewish name. A professor of Hebrew once explained it was probably related to the Jewish word for charm or charming.<br />
<a href="http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_does_genendel_mean#ixzz1L2AX7VXe" rel="nofollow ugc">http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_does_genendel_mean#ixzz1L2AX7VXe</a></p>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Johannes]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Apr 2011 08:48:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Als Antwort auf &lt;a href=&quot;https://der-transkribierer.at/burgenland/juedischer-friedhof-mattersburg/sofer-jutl-lea-31-juli-1904/#comment-1705&quot;&gt;Suzie&lt;/a&gt;.

@Suzie: Sehr schöne Erklärung, vielen Dank dafür! Und ich muss gestehen: Ich wusste bis eben auch die Erklärung des Namens &quot;Gi/enendel&quot; nicht ;)]]></description>
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<p>@Suzie: Sehr schöne Erklärung, vielen Dank dafür! Und ich muss gestehen: Ich wusste bis eben auch die Erklärung des Namens &#8220;Gi/enendel&#8221; nicht ;)</p>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Apr 2011 14:47:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[henna ist ein yiddischer Name, und ich denke, es heisst &quot;hindin&quot;, damit wäre der hebräische Name im Prinzip &quot;Ayala&quot;, aber das hat es damals wahrscheinlich nicht gegeben.

Ich nehme an, dass Genendel die russische Variante desselben namens ist, da es im Russischen ja kein h gibt und deshalb als g dargestellt und und ausgesprochen wird.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>henna ist ein yiddischer Name, und ich denke, es heisst &#8220;hindin&#8221;, damit wäre der hebräische Name im Prinzip &#8220;Ayala&#8221;, aber das hat es damals wahrscheinlich nicht gegeben.</p>
<p>Ich nehme an, dass Genendel die russische Variante desselben namens ist, da es im Russischen ja kein h gibt und deshalb als g dargestellt und und ausgesprochen wird.</p>
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		Von: Carole Vogel		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Carole Vogel]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Apr 2011 17:41:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The father must have been the grandson and namesake of Rabbi Avraham Shmuel Benjamin Sofer (1815-1871) who was known as Ketav Sofer..]]></description>
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